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My Testimony: Page Two

Welcome to page two of my story which promises to be as monotonous as page one. Looking at the events which must, at some point, be covered, I’m realizing that certain things will require extended explanation while others will certainly stir up controversy. I pray for wisdom in telling things accurately as I’m remembering back to the mid 1980s, and in such a fashion as to bring glory to the name of Jesus. Well, here we go again:

INSTALLMENT IV “AND YE SHALL RECEIVE POWER”

In early June of 1984, I reported to the USS Guam (LPH 9) in Norfolk Virginia which had just returned from a cruise to be not soon forgotten. They had participated in the invasion of Grenada before heading to the Mediterranean where they were stationed off the coast of Beirut for 142 continuous days. It was during this time that the marine barrackes in Beirut was bombed and several of the fallen marines were brought to the Guam before being returned stateside. When I arrived on board, they were awaiting an overhaul period that would transpire in Philadelphia, beginning in September of 1984 and lasting ten months.

My first couple of months were very uneventful; even dangerously monotonous. I had no fellowship at first as I didn’t know many who were outside of my immediate department. I could feel the spiritual draining and knew that this couldn’t be permitted to continue. Unbeknownst to me at the time, there was a vibrant fellowship on board the USS Guam; all of whom had been on the previous cruise. Incidently, the first saint that I came into contact with wasn’t on the ship. It was a brother whom I met outside the base heading into town. (I don’t even remember his name) We talked briefly before deciding to head out and tell people about Jesus. I had never taken the gospel to strangers in the street before and so it was a new experience completely. The first guy that I talked to sarchastically replied “Oh GREAT!”

“Well yes sir it really is great because Jesus paid for our sins to keep us from spending eternity in hell.” I don’t remember my exact response, but it was seemless and the Lord blessed that night. Interestingly, this was my only encounter with the saint whose name I don’t remember, but something within had been kindled. It’s amazing that 24 years later, my life is far more complex, but whenever I can get into the streets and share the gospel, I feel more at home than anywhere else; even home. A well-meaning friend at work one day told me. “You need some timbob time. You work, take care of your family at home and then go into the streets. You need some time to yourself.” The truth is that sharing the gospel in the streets is like “time to myself.” It’s the thing that’s on my heart. If I were to win a dream vacation for two and the choices were either a seven day Carribean cruise, or seven days on the streets of a gritty east coast metropolis, I would choose the gritty east coast metropolis. (My wife would freak out! lol) I pray that doesn’t sound too ridiculous because it’s the truth.

Mark Gardner and his wife are missionaries in Namibia. Back in August of 1984, however, Mark became the first saint on board the USS Guam that I came into contact with. I learned that there were several others and soon discovered that they had a very close fellowship. It was a Wednesday evening when I visited Brother Marks church on Hampton Blvd. It was my first ever visit to a Pentecostal church, and I was impressed that they spent a half hour or so before service in prayer to the Lord. (Wow! What an awesome idea!) I found a place near the door and began to talk to the Lord, thanking him for this newfound fellowship and a host of other things. While I believed that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is for every generation, I didn’t expect to receive it about three minutes after I began praying. It happened so fast and unexpectedly that it’s like I was talking to the Lord when it dawned on me that my understanding had ceased.

It wasn’t long afterwards that I was baptized again; this time in Jesus name, which I believe to be the scriptural method. This is the name that is above all names, the name that we call upon to be saved, and the name by which everyone in scripture was baptized. This is one of those areas that I probably should elaborate on, but there will be time do do so later on in this testimony. It has been, in times past, such a point of contention; even on the USS Guam, that I tend to resist being drawn into debatings. It became so devicive at one point that I simply began telling everyone, “I’ve done it both ways, leave me alone!” I wasn’t trying to be smart; I was just wearied over the constant wrangling. It was a single sticking point that was disrupting an awesome fellowship.

The remainder of this early time in Norfolk was awesome. I loved the saints at Marks church, loved the saints on the ship, and it was a time of real growth; though much of that growth came the hard way. When we are baptized in the Holy Ghost we are endued with power from on high. It doesn’t mean that we are instantly a lot smarter and I was about as dumb as a box of rocks on a number of issues. My zeal scared a lot of people and I know of incidents where I unwittingly caused scattering. Then there was the early wrestling with spiritual pride; a feeling that I had somehow “arrived.” But God is faithful to finish the work that he has started in us as we strive to each day become more like Jesus and less like us. It’s amazing to look back at certain points in our walk and say “wow; I was really immature and carnal back in those days.” Such observations may be hard, but the past, with all of its missteps and blunders, makes manifest the growth that has taken place. And we glorify the Lord Jesus who is daily transforming us into his likeness.

The next installment will entail our ten month overhaul period in Philadelphia; a city that still occupies a special place in my heart insofar as the people and their need to know Jesus. I’m still wrestling with how much information to place in this testimony although one can be assured that there are coming installments that will cover several years. My first year as a christian however, was complex and it really cannot be rushed through if any level of accuracy is being sought.

INSTALLMENT V “PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENTS”  I’ll get to this when I can.

17 comments

  1. Timbob,

    I haven’t read all of your testimony, because I must confess that it is hard for me to sit and read something so lengthy.(at least in one setting)However, I was thrilled to read about your baptism in the name of Jesus(the Bible way to be baptized), and infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. I wholeheartedly believe in this, and it is preached, taught and practiced at our church. I hope you will expound on this more at another time, as I would be interested in hearing more details. Blessings to you and your family.


  2. Hi carol. These are some things that I have contemplated discussing in greater detail, but have
    found myself reluctant to open up what could be a complex and neverending dialogue. To me, it’s simple and when they baptized in Jesus name, they were fultilling Matthew 28:19. It’s another area of proof that Jesus is who he says he is. “Before Abraham was, I am.” (Not to mention John 14:8-11)

    One thing that has become more present in my life during these past few months is a contenement in Christ that wasn’t as well defined in previous times. It’s like the world is still there but doesn’t affect me any more. I probably pray and sing in the spirit as much as with the understanding. It’s natural, it’s void of a self-serving agenda, and it most likely expresses those things that I want to say but can’t find words profound enough.

    I know that things must comply with scripture and that in the church five words which the saints can understand is more profitable than ten thousand words without understanding. But in my private time, when all the world is a million miles away, there’s a fellowship with the Lord on a level that defies explanation.

    Thanks for commenting and allowing me an opportunity to express my thoughts to one who understands. I have an outline for a post in my head concerning this, but haven’t put it into writing yet.

    Have a blessed day in Jesus.


  3. Hi Timbob,

    This has been gnawing at me, and I feel like God is going to hold me accountable if I don’t discuss this. What do you believe is the Biblical plan for salvation? Is it to accept the Lord as your personal Saviour or do we need to repent, be baptized in Jesus’ name and be filled with the Holy Ghost?

    Also, I wanted to post a link to this tract.

    http://home.att.net/~jrd/gospelsactsepistles.pdf

    Have you ever seen this before? Can you let me know what you think of it? Please understand that I am not trying to be contentious or stir up a hornet’s nest, but this is something I feel that anyone who wants to follow Jesus needs to search out. Thank you for hearing me out.

    Blessings,

    Carol


  4. Hi Carol. This is not an easy topic to comment on because, over the course of years, it’s been one of incredible contention. I’ve heard every doctrine from every angle and in giving my thoughts, I will place myself outside of everybodys camp so to speak. (I should be accustomed to this by now) I have thought about doing a post, or even a page about this as to go into greater detail.

    Without a doubt, a person must realize that they are a sinner and in need of a Savior. They must realize that Jesus Christ; the only begotten Son of God, paid for their sins with his blood. They must believe on him completely and not trust in anything else.

    Baptism, I believe should be done in Jesus name and the gift of the Holy Ghost is very much for every generation; including ours. (Acts 2:39) The only issue that is a wrestling for many is “at what point is a person truly in Christ?” I believe that it’s at the hour they first believe and that baptism is an act of obediance. (I Peter 3:21) Baptism alone will not save, however, if a person confesses to be in Christ but neglects baptism, one must seriously wonder if they truly believe. Too many these days, don’t take this issue seriously. If we know him, we will keep his commandments. This is why, when I understood that baptism should be done in Jesus name, I had no problem with being baptized again. I mean, why would a person want to debate over something that is clear cut in scripture? “Just do it!”

    The gift of the Holy Ghost is a promise to all. If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. I know that when I came to Jesus, I was a completely different person. The Holy Ghost was truly working in my life; even before receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost about a year later. There was a newness that had been previously not there; a discernment that I had never known before, and a desire for the things of God. But when I received the baptsm of the Holy Ghost, it was empowerment like I had never known before.

    I’m trying to answer quickly and I’m failing to touch on a number of important issues in this brief comment. (This requires a post or two) I know that I’ve said some things here that you disagree with, but this dialogue is one that I hope will continue. I have been in some awesome apostolic churches over the years. I’ve also seen churches where the Lord is doing an incredible work that are not apostolic. I know a pastor in Three Rivers who accepted Jesus as Savior, but wrestled with an addiction to smoking. But as soon as he was baptized, the addiction was completely gone. Not a trace of it. (He was baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.) This same church recently had two sisters completely healed from cancer.

    I’m really careful about my words; especially when it comes to the workings of the Holy Spirit. I have a profound fear of improperly discerning a given situation and, if I cannot say for certain on an issue, I prefer to remain on the side of caution. This is one reason that I may sometimes sound indecisive. (Ecclesiastes 5:2)

    Well, now that I have probably killed the blog I have to get around for work. (I think that it may be nearing the time to let go if it anyways; I have a lot of tracts to get out and time is running out) Thanks again for inquiring about a very serious issue and one that I should have covered a long time ago.

    Blessings always in Jesus name.


  5. Hi Timbob,

    Thank you for your response here. I really believe the 2 most important questions we can ever ask ourselves are 1? Who was/is Jesus Christ? and 2)What must I do to be saved?(according to the Holy Scriptures.

    I agree wholeheartedly with this paragraph of yours.

    “Without a doubt, a person must realize that they are a sinner and in need of a Savior. They must realize that Jesus Christ; the only begotten Son of God, paid for their sins with his blood. They must believe on him completely and not trust in anything else.”

    Understanding that we all are sinners and in need of a Saviour is of utmost importance. This is the starting point for anyone who wants to live for God. If I asked the average person on the street who considers themself a Christian what I need to do to be saved, they would probably point me to John 3:16.

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    That is a great verse, but I think it brings up another question that needs to be answered.
    What does it mean to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ? Is believing simply mental assent? Do we just believe in our hearts that Jesus lived and died for our sins and accept that as true and that’s it? I think it’s important to take a look at other verses in the Bible that more clearly define belief.

    Jesus says the following in John 7:38,39
    Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
    Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

    According to what I read here, we need to believe on Jesus “as the scripture says” and when we believe on Him, we should receive His Spirit, which is also called the Holy Ghost. One may ask, well, how do I know when I have the Holy Ghost?

    We can read in the book of Acts how Peter and some other Jews knew when the Gentiles(non-Jews)had received the Holy Ghost.

    Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
    Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

    Peter and those of the circumcision(the Jews)were astonished when the Gentiles received the Holy Ghost. How did they know the Gentiles had gotten it? Verse 46 tells us how, they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

    In Acts 19, we can look at another instance of some folks receiving the Holy Ghost.

    Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
    Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
    Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.
    Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
    Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
    Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

    The group of people mentioned here in Ephesus are converts of John the Baptist. Notice the question that Paul asks them in verse 2. “Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?”
    Obviously they hadn’t for they go on to explain they had not heard there was a Holy Ghost. Paul also brings up the subject of baptism, but I’m not going to go into that right now. I have to stop here for now, but I hope to address this more later. I will certainly be praying for you and your family situation too.

    God’s richest blessings,
    Carol

    P.S. I don’t think you have killed your blog.


  6. This is nice, that I finally get to read about your testimony. I’m always curious to know how people come to Christ and your own story tells any of us who are sharing Christ that it is not a one-off experience that brings us to Jesus. Sometimes it’s a long process, with few points of divine intervention, but eventually, and hopefully, we get there, by His grace.

    Thanks for taking the time to pen it all down and to share. I can’t wait to read the rest.


  7. Hi Inhisgrace. I apolagize for not replying earlier as I became preoccupied. Every testimony of one who once was lost and now is found is incredible. Each story as unique as the person that it tells of, and yet each one the same in that whereas we were once headed for an eternity apart from God, we are now born of the Spirit and have everlasting life. All because of Jesus, who shed his blood for us.

    Thanks so much for stopping by. It’s always good to hear from you. Blessings always in Jesus name.


  8. Just took the time to read through both parts one and two of your testimony. I don’t know what to say, except I am glad to be on this journey with you. My brother was also in Boot Camp, in the Navy, in San Diego in 83. He was stationed in Japan….

    Thank you for sharing this. =)


  9. Hi Deb. My time in the navy was incredible; specifically the small group of saints on board the USS Guam. It was such an incredible fellowship that I’ve not seen such a thing since.

    This testimony is still far from complete, but I’m not sure about how to proceed further. I somehow have to condense years into paragraphs, otherwise I’ll end up with 30 pages about me. (that would be boring enough to put a rock to sleep)

    Thanks so much for stopping by. Blessings always in Jesus name


  10. What a blessing it is to read your testimony, timbob! Thanks for sharing the amazing ways God has worked in and through your life! Praise His Holy Name.

    I do have a question for you regarding baptism. How do you reconcile the words of Jesus Himself in Matthew 28:19? “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” (I am not trying to add to any controversy but I am genuinely curious since you brought up the destinction of baptizing in Jesus’ name).

    I am consistantly spurred on and encouraged in my faith after visiting your blog in spite of not always being in 100% agreement regarding various doctrines.

    May the peace and love or our Lord Jesus Christ be with you always!
    Scotti


  11. Hio Scotti. Thanks for stopping in and offering an opportunity on this issue. I don’t believe it’s really as controversial as many think, although my thoughts seem to not be in agreement with anyone except Mark Gardner. (A good friend and saint who’se a missionary in Namibia) In scripture, everyone who was baptized following the resurrection of Jesus, was done so in Jesus name. Jesus commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and they did. It verifies the deity of Jesus; that he is who he claimed to be. “Before Abraham was, I am.”

    The triunity of God. We try to put it into a box and manuver it to fit into our theology, but the truth is, God is just too big to fathom. We understand and experiece him in three manifestations, but to figure it all out would be like trying to figure out how “from everlasting” works. I find comfort in having a Creator whose so incrediiblly awesome that he resides beyond our ability to fathom.

    I don’t question the salvation of one who is baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, nor do I consider baptism to be part of the salvation formula. It is, however, evidence of obediance. I would call into question the conversion of one who consistantly put off, or refused baptism in either way. When I came to Jesus, I wanted to be baptized because it’s in scripture and I wanted to be obediant. It’s evidence of what has already transpired within. In the book of Acts, the disciples wasted no time in baptizing those who believed on Jesus.

    I Peter 3:21 reads “The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

    I know a pastor in Three Rivers who, after being born again, continued to have a problem with smoking. That is until he was baptized. At that moment, the Lord removed the addiction forever. (And he was baptized in accordance to matthew 28:19)

    I wrestle with discussing this topic because of some past situations where the issue of baptism scattered a beautiful fellowship. It becams such a contentious issue that it was physically painful to endure. I’ve determined, Lord willing, to not undergo such an ordeal again. Sometime a post concerning this issue may be, or perhaps should be, placed here, but I’m heel-draggingly reluctant because of what happened aforetime.

    Thanks so much for inquiring. I should probably elaborate on these things more as to the why. It’s great to hear from you. Blessings always in Jesus name.


  12. “I wrestle with discussing this topic because of some past situations where the issue of baptism scattered a beautiful fellowship.”… and the enemy sits back and says “gotcha”….

    I for one look forward to the post, thank you for sharing.

    I think we need to not become legalistic, remember God’s grace and know the He sees the intention of our hearts. I believe you are correct in your assessment…

    Thank you and be blessed!
    Debs


  13. Hi Deb. Sadly it seems that baptism can be like the proverbial third rail when the topic is raised. This shouldn’t be the case, but I’ve seen this one issue result in a lot of turmoil. As you mention, we should strive to avoid legalism on this or any topic.

    Thanks so much for your input. Blessings always in Jesus name.


  14. Thanks, timbob.

    I cannot disagree with anything you have said. It helps me to understand that you see a distinction in the way baptism is done before and after the resurrection. Carol has sent me an email with a list of scriptures that I will read over as well.

    Perhaps it all boils down to a differing view of the triunity of God. I believe scripture shows us that God is three persons, each person is fully God and there is one God. It can be difficult to rationalize all three of these statements because we have no other such example in our human experience. Somehow God’s being is so much greater than ours that within His being there is an interpersonal relationship of three distinct persons. There is no difference in attributes between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit only a difference in how they interact with creation. God is so far beyond our comprehension and as you say he cannot be put into a box.

    At the baptism of Jesus Himself, God the Father speaks from heaven and the Holy Spirit descends upon Jesus whereby all three persons of the trinity are present and interacting.

    I am not much for debating, timbob, and I truly appreciate this forum to openly discuss these great mysteries of God without contention.

    I am in awe of God’s mercy and above all else, I only wish to love Him with my whole heart and share that love with those around me.

    Romans 11:33-36 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! For who has known the mind of the LORD? Or who has become His counselor? Or who has first given to Him and it shall be repaid to him?


  15. Hi Scotti. Indeed the ways of the Lord are past finding out. Thanks for taking time to bring up this issue. Baptism is a wondeful thing; not only an example of obediance but just a wonderful testimony of one who has a new heart. Before I came to Jesus, I never even thought about being baptized. It just wasn’t an issue in the time prior to the moment that I first believed. But afterwards, when the opportunity arose, I fervently desired it.

    Two stories come to mind concerning this issue. CR, a brother whom I’ve mentioned much, came to Jesus in November of 2007. The following February, he and his wife were both baptized on the same Sunday morning. Today his family is serving the Lord and next fall his children will be attending a solid christian school.

    Another story comes from Open Doors ministries. A certain middle eastern country had several former muslims who had come to Jesus. The faced tribulation unimaginable to most of us in the west. In such countries, for a muslim to confess faith in Jesus is incredibly dangerous. To partake of a christian baptism, however, is parallel to a death sentance.
    The saints secured a house in a neighborhood where much construction was ongoing. They gathered in an unoccupied residence, covered all of the widows, and in a large tub each of them were baptized. The narration of the story told of the incredible night of fellowship following as each one told how the Lord had delivered them through various trials. Trials that one would never survive in their own strength.

    Although I truly belive that baptism should be done in Jesus name, each of the above accounts were done according to Matthew 28:19. I truly believe that these folks are saved and in CRs case the fruit of the Spirit is manifest in his life. His before and after pictures give testimony to one being born of the Spirit. “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

    Sadly this topic often seems to end up with the true meaning of baptism being suffocated by the debate surrounding it. We truly see in part, and while I ever strive for increased understanding of scripture, I’m determined to never again become paralyzed by the contentions that seem to arise over this issue.

    Thanks again for the dialogue and for causing me to think on this issue. It is a very important issue and an open forum for discussion is healthy. When I get a green light to do so, I’ll set out to do a page about this.

    Blessings always in Jesus name.


  16. this is all fascinating, thank you… everyone, for sharing your thoughts and perspectives, thank you Timbob for catalyzing the discussion!


  17. Hi Cindy. It’s become a somewhat lively topic; although not somuch here as in other venues. Thanks for stopping by.

    Blessings always in Jesus name.



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